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Adaria · May 25, 2005, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by Arrow Whisper

So stop paying your monthly subscription...

Um, I don't quite get what you're trying to point out Arrow. I was only stating that I hoped it wouldn't turn into an argument over what should and should not be banned or something of the like...

Lim-Dul · May 25, 2005, 06:52 PM // 18:52

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I was NOT incorrect in saying what I said, just incorrect in how i phrased it. For that I appologize.

Well OK - so the main argument remains that player-run gambling was too abusive.

It has been banned and that's OK. No one should ever give anybody the possibility to make uncontrolled casinos, as they are (like lotteries) the easiest way to make money. Even if you didn't cheat on your "clients" then by giving them a 40% chance to win you'll end the day with a 10% profit. It's the law of probability - there's pretty no chance at all to lose anything in this business - if you have some reserves. =)

Sirocco Starluck · May 25, 2005, 06:53 PM // 18:53

Ditch the gambling - period. I like the way other RPG's have handled economy and market saturation...

1. Weapon/Gear decay. After a given amount of time, weapons and gear will start to decay. Initially, I see people raise a stink about this, but in Post-Searing I'll find I'm turning most weapons I have no use for into crafting material out of impatience to sell them via Trade chat.

2. Allow for bounties. This is the fun one! People place bounties on other characters for gold. I've seen this done on old telnet games like Legend of the Red Dragon. If your bored and have a lot of cash to blow or you want to earn a lot of cash but with more of a challenge than a piddly "/roll 20" I think bounties would be choice entertainment.

C-Tzar · May 25, 2005, 06:58 PM // 18:58

I personally hate Hate HATE gear decay. I realize it can be good for the economy and I could tolerate it for that purpose but it would make me at least a little bitter.

Bounties CAN be fun, until some rich punk decides he doesn't like you and keeps a constant bounty on your head for the rest of your existance and you spend all your time from that point on running from bounty hunters instead of playing the game. Bounties would DEFINATELY need major limitations to even be considered. Like one person can not have a new bounty on him once one is collected for at least a real-life week or something).

Madjik · May 25, 2005, 06:59 PM // 18:59

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Originally Posted by Lim-Dul

Well OK - so the main argument remains that player-run gambling was too abusive.

It has been banned and that's OK. No one should ever give anybody the possibility to make uncontrolled casinos, as they are (like lotteries) the easiest way to make money. Even if you didn't cheat on your "clients" then by giving them a 40% chance to win you'll end the day with a 10% profit. It's the law of probability - there's pretty no chance at all to lose anything in this business - if you have some reserves. =)

agreed fully and %100. Those of you who like to gamble and spend your hard earned gold in this way i've created a place just for you! Start telling a.net what kind of NPC based gambling you want there, your arguments wont change the verdict a.net has made, but this thread might help give you a place to waste your money on if you feel so inclined. I wish you luck with it since i wont be maintaining the thread.

Lim-Dul · May 25, 2005, 07:05 PM // 19:05

On gear decay: I think it would once again be better to those selfish and greedy players than to the average person. They greedy layers would still sell Sigils like for 100K gold and be able to buy the best of the best when it comes to equipment, while all the other poor bastards would have to work hard as hell to get anything good.

Sirocco Starluck · May 25, 2005, 07:10 PM // 19:10

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Originally Posted by C-Tzar

I personally hate Hate HATE gear decay. I realize it can be good for the economy and I could tolerate it for that purpose but it would make me at least a little bitter.

I depends on how fast it would decay, too. On this other game I play, the limit for gear is two months and the limit for weapons is a little longer. Gotta figure, getting the tar smashed out of you and wearing the same stuff for two months straight would do a number on you! LoL!

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Originally Posted by C-Tzar

Bounties CAN be fun, until some rich punk decides he doesn't like you and keeps a constant bounty on your head for the rest of your existance and you spend all your time from that point on running from bounty hunters instead of playing the game. Bounties would DEFINATELY need major limitations to even be considered. Like one person can not have a new bounty on him once one is collected for at least a real-life week or something).

This is true... hmm, maybe level limitations, too. Like you can't go and pound someone 5 levels below you into the ground. Bullies suck.

What I wanna know is how a rich punk becomes a rich punk, my only guess is they've got all the gear and weapons they want and just stash the rest of it.

BoogieKnights · May 25, 2005, 07:40 PM // 19:40

not sure if this has been put forward but....

couldn't they add a gambling channel? too crazy? at least it would clear out the spam problem if it could be switched off.

not that i gamble on GW as i am extremley poor

its just that it seems to me that it is removing freedom from players and that isnt good.

not sure about this one but couldnt they also make all casino's pay for the use of the channel on a weekly basis to ensure gold is still sinking

after a few times round the block i have found that this game seems to lack an element of danger (with the exeption of HoH/arenas) and gambling is just another method in a long line of ways to get your kicks. is it really so bad it is worth banning?

toastgodsupreme · May 25, 2005, 07:49 PM // 19:49

thank GOD

one less bit of chat spam

Lim-Dul · May 25, 2005, 08:26 PM // 20:26

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couldn't they add a gambling channel? too crazy?

The problem being: casinos advertised themselves in every possible way and they would do it again. That is on main-chat, trade-chat and whatnot. There should be no player-controlled casinos! Point.

It's like that stupid type of making money through offers sounding like: "Send me 1$ - sender number 100 wins a computer game." -.-

Give me 1K gold, the 50th person to msg me gets a max dmg Fiery Dragon Sword. ;-)

Typhoon · May 25, 2005, 08:42 PM // 20:42

WoW was the most recent game to have a casino spam problem. Like Anet, they made the act of gambling against the rules of conduct and banned anyone found in violation of the new rules. WoW's /random functionality was never changed in any way, the casino spam advertised in towns was eliminated almost immediately, and everything worked out in the end.

When WoW banned casinos, the minority of people cried and screamed that the sky would start falling and mass cancellations would ensue. Out of that minority, the majority of them were the ones who ran scams, spam bots, and alt accounts to push their casino advertisments. I see the same thing happening in this thread. Anet has put their foot down to stop the detrimental effect of casinos, and the dealers, addicts, and wanna-be forum warriors are scrambling to get on the soapbox about it.

This issue will be dead and gone within a week.

Madjik · May 25, 2005, 08:52 PM // 20:52

I hope your right typhoon, but only time will tell.

Lim-Dul · May 25, 2005, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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This issue will be dead and gone within a week.

So true - we can discuss it for months and yet the decision has been fallen and we can't change anything about it.

It's just like with Counter-Strike. People have been whining during the 1.1->1.3 update, then the (very short) 1.3->1.4->1.5 update, they have been against the 1.5->1.6 update (this even led to a series of pirated servers being set up, though they are slowly dying their natural death), now people look down on the 1.6->CS:S update... The only things constant through all these update-riots were 1. the whining of the would-be majority of players (actually only a few narrowminded guys, who knew how to stir up the community) and surprisingly 2. the number of players playing C-S. The very same thing will happen to GW - there will be lots of updates (hopefully) and expansions (hopefully again =) and many people will whine about this and that but when the sun has set we'll end up with roughly the same amount of people playing the game (or rather: an even greater amount for the time being =)

Willow · May 25, 2005, 09:11 PM // 21:11

Huzzah to Anet! Death to casino scum!

rook818 · May 25, 2005, 09:17 PM // 21:17

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Originally Posted by Mav

Um, why not? It's the truth.

Company X implements an random numerical generator into their game. i.e. a dice roll (coulda been a coin flip or a paper rock scissors thing). This ability can be used by players any way we choose. Players find a way to use this, until other players fall for oldest tricks in the book, and then Company X turns around and completely does a 180 in regards to how players may use the tool they've been provided.

Coming next from ArenaNet;

Using the /flex emotes infront of female characters considered sexual harassment

This has got to be the silliest arguement ever. Can any community, be it a real life city/town or a company, or a virtual community, create something, then impose a law to restrict that something? Absolutely. Anything short would be silly.

The random number generator was meant for 2 things. 1) a fun little knick-knack, and 2) a way for parties to resolve disagreements.

Andarrea · May 25, 2005, 09:18 PM // 21:18

/cheer

I think most of us were getting sick of the spam!!

Stev0 · May 25, 2005, 09:25 PM // 21:25

When the first virtual in-game pregnancy happens ... I wanna get the front row seat for the paternity suit hearing.

Lim-Dul · May 25, 2005, 09:30 PM // 21:30

Hehe - it's be great to have a /makesex <player> command. ^^ I mean - the female (and male for their part, though I'm not an expert on that matter =) characters in GW are sexy enough. ^^
I wonder why they always keep their underwear on - this should be fixed. ^^ Or make real items out of it - like Insightful (instert your joke here ;-) Underpants of Fortitude or Poisoner's Bra of Enchanting. ^^

P.S. Just noticed that this would favor female characters because of the panties/bra combo - unless male characters got better boni on their underpants - or if they were upgradeable and the panties/bras not - just like staves and wands - geez - I think I'm going to far. ;-)

"Hold on - I must upgrade my underpants" ^^

Mimi Miyagi · May 25, 2005, 10:47 PM // 22:47

I'd like to point out that breaking a TOS or EULA isn't a "crimminal offense". The police aren't going to come to your house and arrest you for selling a SOJ or Sigil on ebay. The police have better things to do, and it's a civil matter, not a crimminal one. There is a difference, ya know. Main reason why OJ is free, yet lost everything except his NFL retirement/HOF pay.

ANet's reach only extends to your account. Sure, legally, they might be able to take you to court to sue you for breach of contract, but I'm sure it would cost them more to file the paperwork than to simply ban your CD key and make you pay them the 50 bucks for a new account if you want to play again.

I also applaud the banning of casino's. Now, if ANet can do something about the whole sigil thing....

Silvanus · May 25, 2005, 11:15 PM // 23:15

I say this is a good thing. Something like gambling needs to be controlled so this sort of abuse doesn't occure (like it is in real life). Hopefully, ANet will introduce NPC casinos because we all know we need money sinks badly.

Oh, and the abuse of player casinos isn't bad because it's gambling, it isn't bad because it's someone losing "virtual" money...it's bad because players are ruining other players gaming experiences, it doesn't matter if the other players aren't wise enough to see a scam when it's in front of them, they bought the game and they have the right to play it without some jerk ruining it for them through scams and spam. *breath*

If you don't understand this, then most likley you are either one of the scammers, or would scam someone in the right situation.